BMW M5 S85
"The S85 is heavily inspired by F1 engines, so proper oil pressure really matters. You can't just turn the key and drive it hard from cold like a normal V8."
Known Issues
Rod Bearing Failure / Crankshaft Bearing WearCRITICAL
The S85 has a well-documented tendency toward rod and main bearing failure, often leading to total engine destruction. The engine's F1-derived design demands constant adequate oil pressure: any lapse such as cold starts driven hard, low oil level, or extended service intervals accelerates bearing wear catastrophically. High-mileage examples are especially vulnerable.
Throttle Actuator Failure (SMG Gear Motor / Throttle Body)HIGH
The S85 uses ten individual throttle bodies, each with actuator gearing and MOSFET control boards that are prone to wear and failure. This is one of the most commonly reported issues in the ownership community. Replacement of the gearing and MOSFET components is a documented repair, but parts and labor costs are significant.
Elevated Oil TemperatureHIGH
Owner reports indicate oil temperature running high in warmer conditions and under spirited driving. The oil cooling system must be fully functional: a compromised oil cooler, thermostat, or blocked passages leads to accelerated bearing and engine wear given the S85's tight tolerances.
SMG Transmission Reliability ConcernsMODERATE
The E60 M5 was equipped with the SMG III sequential manual gearbox, which has its own reliability concerns separate from the engine but closely linked to overall ownership cost. The SMG clutch and hydraulic actuator need monitoring, particularly on higher-mileage examples.
Cold Start Oil Pressure RiskMODERATE
Due to the F1-inspired design, the S85 requires a careful cold-start procedure. Driving hard before the engine reaches full operating temperature, especially oil temperature, is a primary cause of premature bearing wear. This is an ongoing operational risk throughout the engine's life, not a mileage-specific failure.
Buying Checklist
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Buying Advice
The BMW E60 M5 S85 is one of the greatest naturally aspirated performance engines ever built, but it demands respect, knowledge, and financial readiness. Buy only a car with a fully documented, short-interval service history using the correct 10W-60 specification oil. Anything less and bearing failure becomes a near certainty. Budget €2,000-4,000 immediately for a thorough mechanical inspection, proactive bearing check, and any deferred maintenance, and set aside a substantial reserve for the inevitable high-cost repairs this engine will eventually require. This is a car for enthusiasts who will maintain it properly, not a budget used car purchase.
Community Sentiment
Mixed to negative on reliability, universally positive on driving experience. The community consensus is clear: the S85 is a magnificent but unforgiving engine that punishes neglect severely. Owners who maintain it meticulously love it; those who treat it like a normal car face catastrophic bills. The phrase 'know what you're getting into' appears repeatedly in community discussions.
Frequently Asked Questions
❯Is the S85 reliable?
The BMW M5 S85 has a reliability score of 38/100, rated "RISKY". F1-inspired thrills, F1-level maintenance bills
❯What problems does the S85 have?
The most frequently reported issues are Rod Bearing Failure / Crankshaft Bearing Wear, Throttle Actuator Failure (SMG Gear Motor / Throttle Body), Elevated Oil Temperature, SMG Transmission Reliability Concerns, among others. See the Known Issues section above for symptoms, affected mileage, and repair costs.
❯Does the S85 have rod bearing failure / crankshaft bearing wear problems?
Yes, this is a documented issue on the S85, typically appearing around 80,000-160,000 km. The S85 has a well-documented tendency toward rod and main bearing failure, often leading to total engine destruction. The engine's F1-derived design demands constant adequate oil pressure: any lapse such as cold starts driven hard, low oil level, or extended service intervals accelerates bearing wear catastrophically. High-mileage examples are especially vulnerable. Typical repair cost: €8,000-20,000. DIY difficulty: Expert only.
❯Does the S85 have throttle actuator failure (smg gear motor / throttle body) problems?
Yes, this is a documented issue on the S85, typically appearing around 60,000-120,000 km. The S85 uses ten individual throttle bodies, each with actuator gearing and MOSFET control boards that are prone to wear and failure. This is one of the most commonly reported issues in the ownership community. Replacement of the gearing and MOSFET components is a documented repair, but parts and labor costs are significant. Typical repair cost: €1,500-4,000. DIY difficulty: Advanced.
❯Does the S85 have elevated oil temperature problems?
Yes, this is a documented issue on the S85, typically appearing around 50,000-150,000 km. Owner reports indicate oil temperature running high in warmer conditions and under spirited driving. The oil cooling system must be fully functional: a compromised oil cooler, thermostat, or blocked passages leads to accelerated bearing and engine wear given the S85's tight tolerances. Typical repair cost: €400-1,200. DIY difficulty: Moderate.
❯Does the S85 have smg transmission reliability concerns problems?
Yes, this is a documented issue on the S85, typically appearing around 80,000-150,000 km. The E60 M5 was equipped with the SMG III sequential manual gearbox, which has its own reliability concerns separate from the engine but closely linked to overall ownership cost. The SMG clutch and hydraulic actuator need monitoring, particularly on higher-mileage examples. Typical repair cost: €2,000-6,000. DIY difficulty: Advanced.
❯Does the S85 have cold start oil pressure risk problems?
Yes, this is a documented issue on the S85, typically appearing around 0-200,000 km. Due to the F1-inspired design, the S85 requires a careful cold-start procedure. Driving hard before the engine reaches full operating temperature, especially oil temperature, is a primary cause of premature bearing wear. This is an ongoing operational risk throughout the engine's life, not a mileage-specific failure. Typical repair cost: €0-500. DIY difficulty: N/A, operational awareness required.
❯Is the S85 worth buying used?
The BMW E60 M5 S85 is one of the greatest naturally aspirated performance engines ever built, but it demands respect, knowledge, and financial readiness. Buy only a car with a fully documented, short-interval service history using the correct 10W-60 specification oil. Anything less and bearing failure becomes a near certainty. Budget €2,000-4,000 immediately for a thorough mechanical inspection, proactive bearing check, and any deferred maintenance, and set aside a substantial reserve for the inevitable high-cost repairs this engine will eventually require. This is a car for enthusiasts who will maintain it properly, not a budget used car purchase.
❯What should I check before buying a used S85?
Before buying, check: Commission an independent oil analysis before purchase: check for elevated iron, copper, and aluminum indicating bearing wear; Scan all modules with BMW-specific diagnostic software (ISTA/D) and check for throttle actuator fault codes 2A82 and 2A87; Verify full documented service history with oil changes at or below 8,000 km intervals using correct 10W-60 LL-01 oil; On test drive, hold the car at idle when fully warm and listen carefully for any bottom-end knock or rumble; Monitor oil temperature gauge during an extended test drive: sustained high oil temps indicate a cooling system problem.
❯How many km will a S85 last?
There's no fixed mileage limit, it depends on maintenance. The parts worth budgeting for proactively are: Rod/Main Bearings (80,000 km), Throttle Actuator Gear Sets (x10) (80,000 km), Oil Cooler and Thermostat (100,000 km), SMG Clutch and Hydraulic Actuator (80,000 km). Engines that clear these checkpoints with documented maintenance commonly continue well beyond typical ownership periods.
❯How much does it cost to maintain a S85?
Estimated ownership cost is €10,000-20,000 over 3 years, covering routine maintenance, wear items like throttle actuators and SMG clutch, and the statistical likelihood of a major bearing related repair within that period, based on known issues and typical service needs.
❯What is the real-world fuel consumption of the S85?
Owners report real-world fuel consumption of around 17 L/100km.
❯What oil should I use in a S85, and how often?
Community-reported real-world usage suggests changing oil every 8,000 km using BMW LL-01 approved fully synthetic 10W-60 (e.g., Castrol TWS Motorsport 10W-60), often more conservative than the official service schedule.
❯What other cars use the S85 engine?
The S85 is also found in: BMW M6 E63 Coupe, BMW M6 E64 Convertible, BMW M5 E61 Touring.
❯Why does the S85 have a bad reputation?
F1-inspired thrills, F1-level maintenance bills The biggest recurring complaint is Rod Bearing Failure / Crankshaft Bearing Wear. Mixed to negative on reliability, universally positive on driving experience. The community consensus is clear: the S85 is a magnificent but unforgiving engine that punishes neglect severely. Owners who maintain it meticulously love it; those who treat it like a normal car face catastrophic bills. The phrase 'know what you're getting into' appears repeatedly in community discussions.